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Can an Atheist be a Prophet?

Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:57 PM EST
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By T1Truth
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Before both sides tee up to take a swing at this article let's, set some ground rules. This article is not opposing individuals being religious, it is not pro atheism, and it is not proposing one is better than the other. This article is critical of our limitations due to language, religions, and our limited ability to be tolerant as a species. To help those out that are winding up for their swings I would consider myself a reluctant atheist if that helps. So if you can, please try to limit your observations and opinions to what this article is actually critical of.

First off let's look at some definitions: Atheism = The disbelief in a deity. The word Prophet is a little more difficult so we will list a few of the most common definitions. Prophet = a) One gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insight, b) an effective or leading spokesman for a cause, doctrine, or group, c) one who foretells future events. So by the definitions given in the Webster Dictionary there is no reason that some may say an atheist can be a prophet. Now it comes down to as to which definitions we each interpret of these two words ("Atheist" and "Prophet") as to if we would answer yes to the question asked in the title of this article. It is our limited ability to communicate and interpret in language for our inability to understand one another. OK, for those that were all wound up for the swing and had to take this pitch as there was nothing to swing at, do not get discouraged, I am sure I can serve one up for you.

Now if we cannot interpret simple words the same, could this be a reason for our intolerance as we assume everyone thinks (or should think) the way we do and we become frustrated when it appears they cannot see our point of view? To this I would answer a big "Yes". I would also say that the most intolerance comes from religions. (Told you I would serve one up.) I must remind you that I did not just say that religious people are intolerant so do not swing and miss.

I firmly believe that religious believers and atheists alike may have great attributes and if they have chosen to live a life that serves the greater good, both deserve our respect. Both camps find it easy to ridicule the other without acknowledging they may both live the same way, just for different reasons. Which is best? Does it really matter? The real problem is when religions begin to protect what they have built and become intolerant of others. In the US the religious right begins to think their belief system is better than any other and then try to impose it's will in order to protect it's system. (Not the deity it should be serving.) This has nothing to do with their diety but protecting their organization. So being religious should be separated from religion.

Remember a definition of religious is: Scrupulously and conscientously faithful. It does not need to be related to a deity. Ah, again we see everyone could interpret faithful differently. I tell my wife each day that I love her, so I do this religiously. Once again, if you are reading this from the standpoint of your religion and not as a individual you are probably winding up again. To help you with this swing I will state clearly that religions are only a problem once they become organized. Organized religions are no different from a state or country except they usually do not have a specific geographic location. They still have everything else they feel they must protect as any state or country, and that is the problem.

The point of this article is to get everyone to think. Even though you may have a faith you can also be an individual. Even though you may not have a belief in a deity, you can be religious in your actions. I do in some way envy people that do have a faith in a higher power that can help set their moral compass. I for one, need a little more proof before I could make this step and must rely on my own morals and scruples to live a life that serves the common good. (As I stated I am a reluctant atheist.)

Now to answer the question, "Can an Atheist be Prophet?", the answer is yes depending on your point of view. This is the problem in our political system as well. Why cannot we discuss the real issues with facts instead of bending everything to fit a point of view? I know this will make some uncomfortable, it will make some mad, some will see that it is true, and some will be confused. Is it prophetic to know these things? You decide.

Everyone can now tee up and take your swings.

T1Truth

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American Spirit

Sure... an atheist can be a prophet. The simple definition of the latter is one who can see more of the unseen than the ones around them and relate it as such. There's been mystics through the years who have glimpse more and tried to tell others of more of our framework. They use symbolism in order to do so. As time passes, folks focus more on their words instead of their meanings, giving rise to religions all about.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:07 PM EST
T1Truth

Words, meanings, and perception (especially when associated to religion) are dangerous factors in how we interact as a species. So many use them to advance their own agendas and then indicate that others are wrong because it does not fit their need.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:09 AM EST
Mr. Roger Rabbit

Karl Marx, naturally comes to mind, and seems to fit your criteria.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:18 AM EST
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lastofall

Of course not, this ought to be obvious to you.

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:19 AM EST
T1Truth

So if I undersand what you are saying, then if someone has previous knowledge, can make good assumptions, has been provided the wisdom to make good guesses, and has been educated enough on human nature, then they cannot be considered a prophet. I can buy this argument, however I would then ask of the prophets that some believe in, how many should be discounted based upon this argument.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:52 AM EST
American Spirit

Of course not, this ought to be obvious to you.

Ever heard of Buddha??

  • 3 votes
#2.2 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:01 PM EST
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Neetu M.

As a humble nearly atheist, I don't think I can be prophetic, or a prophet. I leave that to those who want to find the aspirin for their own headaches! In a sense, everyone can be a prophet - haven't you ever been told "your words were prophetic, look you were proven right" because something you said just happened to come true? But that isn't prophetic, it is just logical, or chance, or co-incidence. Words like these are way too open to too many interpretations, I'm afraid. But, good article! It wasn't prophetic, was it?

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 5:54 PM EST
T1Truth

I hope not as it is intended only as a comment on our condition and how limited we are to overcome the challenges that we have.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:03 PM EST
American Spirit

But that isn't prophetic,

Actually it fits the definition. It is, however, something people with the talent to see the future should never relate what they see. It ends up taking away free will of experiencing the world around you as you go along.

All time happens at once. It's always now somewhere else too. We just see our particular slice. The parts cannot intermix without damage to both.

  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:06 PM EST
T1Truth

Sorry, I had hit enter to quickly on my first reply. (Edited it.) I agree with what you say here. It is overcoming these restrictions in our abilities to actually relate with synchronization with one another that may be the only hope we have.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:10 PM EST
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Al-316

T1Truth, I trust you want feed back and other people's opinions. You suggest that there is only one definition of "atheist" for which I agree. You also suggest that "prophet" has three definitions, which I accept.

Therefore, I find it necessary to provide three answers because I see three questions:

a) Can an atheist be gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insight? Yes. Why not? My experience is that we are all capable of having extraordinary abilities. Those abilities are only recognized if they are communicated so that others can observe and recognize them for what they are. We are not equally articulate. It is only those who reveal their capabilities in an articulate manner who get recognized as being extraordinary. However, I know of no reason why a silent atheist/believer/agnostic can not have extraordinary spiritual and moral insights equalling that of an articulate atheist/believer/agnostic.

b) Can an atheist be an effective or leading spokesman for a cause, doctrine, or group? Yes. For the same reasons as stated in a).

c) Can an atheist be one who foretells future events? I have no idea. I have never met anyone who professed to foretell the future. Harold Camping makes the claim, but has failed each time.

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:15 PM EST
T1Truth

I agree fully with your post. What is disturbing in many ways is the language and interpretation of the words. I have many read many posts by the religious right who limit the definitions of these words in their own minds. They believe that any using the word prophet to a divinely inspired person of their own religion. Once they perceive this the discussion is over and anyone using the term prophet outside of this is blasphemous in their mind. This just seems to me as a huge problem that our species faces in trying to understand one another as well as trying to evolve. Instead it is a barrier that we put up that just leads to intolerance. Your thoughts?

  • 6 votes
#4.1 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:30 PM EST
Al-316

You did yourself, and all the readers, a great service by providing definitions of the key words at the outset. Personally, the word "prophet" gives me problems because of the subtle differences in meaning. Thus, this is first time I have ever used it except when in a quote.

I have many read many posts by the religious right who limit the definitions of these words in their own minds.

Before I comment further, what is your definition of the "religious right"?

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:07 AM EST
T1Truth

Great point. The term "Religous Right" in this context was a lazy term on my part to use as it has just become a broad categorization used in the news. The intent of the term was to be somewhat broad however to narrow it down some the meaning was "Conservative Christians in the US that are actively engaged in the Repbulican Party to assert their values upon others through influence". I hope that helps and look forward to your comment.

  • 3 votes
#4.3 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:35 AM EST
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oldfogey

It is overcoming these restrictions in our abilities to actually relate with synchronization with one another that may be the only hope we have.

It appears that is what we are doing here.

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:30 PM EST
Kavika

Yes an atheist can be a prophet as defined as ''leading spokesman for a cause, doctrine or group.''

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:40 AM EST
Abby.

T1,
How would YOU interpret the difference between prophecy & prescience?

  • 4 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:28 AM EST
T1Truth

As a "reluctant atheist", my first impression would be that "prophecy" would be an inspired foretelling of an event yet to come. (Not necessarily divinely inspired but inspired none the less.) And that prescience would be the foretelling of a fut re event based upon knowledge and the ability to put knowledge and experience together to have an epiphany. Those would be my first thoughts and the intent if I were to use the words. Now if I am reading or hearing them from someone else, I would try to assess the motives, person, context, and intent of the usage as again someone else could believe that both words or one of the two could relate directly to be being devinely inspired. What would be your initial interpretation and thanks for the thought provoking comment.

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:27 AM EST
Abby.

I like that answer!
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Thankyou, T1,
:D

  • 1 vote
#8.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:53 AM EST
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Global Crier

Hello T1Truth

Sorry I missed what I was suppose to swing at. For the most part I agree with what you said very well. I believe that you can believe, practice and do what ever you want as long as you do not push them onto me and other people who see things differently. And they do not interfere with the rights of other people. David

  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:25 PM EST
T1Truth

Well said. You are very correct in that we need to seperate activism from trying to impose our will. Sometimes we must just try to remind everyone that we all perceive and sometimes should take the time to understand others perspective before we judge.

  • 3 votes
#9.1 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:55 PM EST
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lost in America-3937007

Using Webster's definition of prophet, an atheist could be a prophet, but I don't believe he could be a prophet of God.

  • 1 vote
Reply#10 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:19 AM EST
T1Truth

I appreciate your view and understand your point. Even the atheist could not ever say he was devinely inspired and remain an atheist even he was.

  • 1 vote
#10.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:47 PM EST
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